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The United States of America is a Threat to World Peace
In a rare interview, the South African demands that George
W. Bush win United Nations support before attacking Iraq
NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE
Sept. 10 - Nelson Mandela, 84, may be the world's most
respected statesman. Sentenced to life in prison on desolate Robben
Island in 1964 for advocating armed resistance to apartheid in South
Africa, the African National Congress leader emerged in 1990 to lead
his country in a transition to non-racial elections. As president, his
priority was racial reconciliation; today South Africans of all races
refer to him by his Xhosa clan honorific, Madiba. Mandela stepped down
in 1999 after a single five-year term. He now heads two foundations
focused on children. He met with NEWSWEEK'S Tom Masland early Monday
morning in his office in Houghton, a Johannesburg suburb, before
flying to Limpopo Province to address traditional leaders on the
country's AIDS crisis. Excerpts:
NEWSWEEK: Why are you speaking out on Iraq? Do you want to
mediate, as you tried to on the Mideast a couple of years ago? It
seems you are reentering the fray now.
Nelson Mandela: If I am asked, by credible
organizations, to mediate, I will consider that very seriously. But a
situation of this nature does not need an individual, it needs an
organization like the United Nations to mediate. We must understand
the seriousness of this situation. The United States has made serious
mistakes in the conduct of its foreign affairs, which have had
unfortunate repercussions long after the decisions were taken.
Unqualified support of the Shah of Iran led directly to the Islamic
revolution of 1979. Then the United States chose to arm and finance
the [Islamic] mujahedin in Afghanistan instead of supporting and
encouraging the moderate wing of the government of Afghanistan. That
is what led to the Taliban in Afghanistan. But the most catastrophic
action of the United States was to sabotage the decision that was
painstakingly stitched together by the United Nations regarding the
withdrawal of the Soviet Union from Afghanistan. If you look at
those matters, you will come to the conclusion that the attitude of
the United States of America is a threat to world peace. Because what
[America] is saying is that if you are afraid of a veto in the
Security Council, you can go outside and take action and violate the
sovereignty of other countries. That is the message they are sending
to the world. That must be condemned in the strongest terms. And you
will notice that France, Germany Russia, China are against this
decision. It is clearly a decision that is motivated by George W.
Bush's desire to please the arms and oil industries in the United
States of America. If you look at those factors, you'll see that an
individual like myself, a man who has lost power and influence, can
never be a suitable mediator.
What about the argument that's being made about the
threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and Saddam's efforts to
build a nuclear weapons. After all, he has invaded other countries, he
has fired missiles at Israel. On Thursday, President Bush is going to
stand up in front of the United Nations and point to what he says is
.Scott Ritter, a former United Nations arms
inspector who is in Baghdad, has said that there is no evidence
whatsoever of [development of weapons of] mass destruction. Neither
Bush nor [British Prime Minister] Tony Blair has provided any evidence
that such weapons exist. But what we know is that Israel has weapons
of mass destruction. Nobody talks about that. Why should there be one
standard for one country, especially because it is black, and another
one for another country, Israel, that is white.
So you see this as a racial question?
Well, that element is there. In fact, many people say
quietly, but they don't have the courage to stand up and say publicly,
that when there were white secretary generals you didn't find this
question of the United States and Britain going out of the United
Nations. But now that you've had black secretary generals like Boutros
Boutros Ghali, like Kofi Annan, they do not respect the United
Nations. They have contempt for it. This is not my view, but that is
what is being said by many people.
What kind of compromise can you see that might avoid the
There is one compromise and one only, and that is the
United Nations. If the United States and Britain go to the United
Nations and the United Nations says we have concrete evidence of the
existence of these weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and we feel
that we must do something about it, we would all support it.
Do you think that the Bush administration's U.N.
diplomatic effort now is genuine, or is the President just looking for
political cover by speaking to the U.N. even as he remains intent on
forging ahead unilaterally?
Well, there is no doubt that the United States now feels
that they are the only superpower in the world and they can do what
they like. And of course we must consider the men and the women around
the president. Gen. Colin Powell commanded the United States army in
peacetime and in wartime during the Gulf war. He knows the disastrous
effect of international tension and war, when innocent people are
going to die, young men are going to die. He knows and he showed this
after September 11 last year. He went around briefing the allies of
the United States of America and asking for their support for the war
in Afghanistan. But people like Dick Cheney. I see yesterday there was
an article that said he is the real president of the United States of
America, I don't know how true that is. Dick Cheney, [Defense
secretary Donald] Rumsfeld, they are people who are unfortunately
misleading the president. Because my impression of the president is
that this is a man with whom you can do
business. But it is the men who around him who are dinosaurs, who do
not want him to belong to the modern age. The only man, the only
person who wants to help Bush move to the modern era is Gen. Colin
Powell, the secretary of State.
I gather you are particularly concerned about Vice
Well, there is no doubt. He opposed the decision to
release me from prison (laughs). The majority of the U.S. Congress was
in favor of my release, and he opposed it. But it's not because of
that. Quite clearly we are dealing with an arch-conservative in Dick
I'm interested in your decision to speak out now about
Iraq. When you left office, you said, "I'm going to go down to
Transkei, and have a rest." Now maybe that was a joke at the time. But
you've been very active.
I really wanted to retire and rest and spend more time
with my children, my grandchildren and of course with my wife. But the
problems are such that for anybody with a conscience who can use
whatever influence he may have to try to bring about peace, it's
difficult to say no.
© 2002 Newsweek, Inc.